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I know you don't want to jump to conclusions historians, but really?

12th October 2016

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6 months ago #9542819        
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I'm training to be a skjoldmøy!

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6 months ago #9542655        
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The woman in the second panel looks so done with the historians omg



4 months ago #9561915        
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Mistake spotted:

Although it might be right that popular record about Vikings depiction came from an Arab traveler, Ahmad Ibn Fadlan, who came to Varangians viking settlement in Volga.

I haven't found any record about shieldmaiden died in the battle against Arab.

Yet, there's record about it, (involving a maiden died in battle) in the siege of Dorostolon (971).

It's battle when Byzantine, launched a siege against Kievan Rus who employed the Varangians as mercenary, and of which recorded by a Byzantine historian.

" There are few historic attestations that Viking Age women took part in warfare, but the Byzantine historian John Skylitzes records that women fought in battle when Sviatoslav I of Kiev attacked the Byzantines in Bulgaria in 971."

"When the Varangians (not to be confused with the Byzantine Varangian Guard) had suffered a devastating defeat in the Siege of Dorostolon, the victors were stunned at discovering armed women among the fallen warriors

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shieldmaiden
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27
[Harrison, D. & Svensson, K. (2007). Vikingaliv. Fälth & Hässler, Värnamo. ISBN 978-91-27-35725-9. p. 71]

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4 months ago #9560131        
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The rune stone and grave I can dismiss as Mythology and status symbols, but the Arabs? Really?



Avisia

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5 months ago #9550946        
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Links to where we can see some of this stuff? I'd love to see the image of the woman warrior entering Valhalla.



5 months ago #9548715        
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I am given to understand that part of it was the Vikings beat up the ancestors of the cultures of many of the researchers- in which, of course, the English etc. of *course* portrayed the Vikings as these ultra-masculine types because how else could they have done so well? ... and that's engrained in what's taught them and they stick with it to the point of absurdity.



Edlivla

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5 months ago #9547973        
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This made me think of the new Norwegian humor-series, Vikingane.
https://youtu.be/y1JEHSRs_hg?t=27s

From 0.28 in the trailer, the vikings have returned from a viking raid. The ones who returned from the raid, tell the other viking, he should be proud of his wife (Frøya), who went all in the sack, and has raped lots of men.



5 months ago #9545071        
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Goofballs. It's obvious.



6 months ago #9542755        
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The Chinese had multiple records of women not only fighting in wars, but actually leading entire armies. While this wasn't always the norm in dynasties, no one really blinked an eye when it did happen.



Zanto

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6 months ago #9542608        
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That does stand by far not for all historians.
I would say its more or less etablished that there were woman who fought in wars. That probably counts especially for cultures like the germanic or other "barbaric" ones. Question is how common and accepted it was.
With focus set on the middle east and europe I would say that woman were accepted as warriors in many "barbaric cultures" but most warriors were still male. As the greek and roman influence became stronger and stronger the female warriors disappeared. Monotheistic religions probably are also important in this devolpment.



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